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Saturday Service

A conversation on the philosophy(?) of faith.

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    S1 E6•April 22, 2023•42 min

    Episode 6: On Identity And These Changing Times!

    In this episode, we take our cue from the prayers of one Amiola Osundolire - "God, please help me to continue to be myself".

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    0:03
    Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Saturday Service. This is, I believe, the sixth episode.
    0:10
    Wow, we're on six already.
    0:12
    Yeah, we're on six. We're on six. It's. It's been a wild ride. I mean, the other podcast that I was doing, we're still on episode three. We just. I feel like I'm cheating on the other guy with you because we started before this one, but we've gone so far with this episode, with this podcast that it feels like that one was the. Is like the side project and this is the main thing, but Potatoes. Potatoes. I think the best way to start this episode, we'll be talking about finding one's self in a world where we are always lost. I think the best way to start this episode is with. I don't want to say it's a prayer, but with a quote from one of the wisest young administrators that I've ever known. And it goes, God, please help me to continue to be myself. And I think that's very profound, one would say, especially for such a young boy who has not probably not experienced a lot of like, you know, 30 years of life, 77 years of life, and knows to pray. That prayer, because no matter how we look at is increasingly important to be rooted in one's own self, in one's own identity, regardless of whatever the world is shouting at you. Because again, coming off of last. Last episode, the. The social media landscape is so. It's so loud these days and filled with so many different voices that you tend to get lost. You know, you come on social media, which is supposed to be the homework of information, and you are met with opinions more than facts. You are met with. Which is not necessarily. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. But it becomes dangerous when opinions are made to seem like facts and where writers will present lies to you as truths. And if you are not, if you don't have that fundamental. If you don't have that foundation of identity, it is something that is easy, that makes you very, very prone to fall. So, yeah, what are your thoughts on. On this?
    2:43
    So the. Sorry, I'm trying not to start my sentencing. So.
    2:51
    English is a lie.
    2:55
    Connecting with oneself. I think it's important. I think it's even more important in a world where there are so many versions of what one should be. I think that the whole essence of connection with self is that whenever we do. This is my belief, whenever we do, we seem to live on our own terms. And because our life here is finite or finite, as some others would Call it living on your own terms, gives you a sense of ownership and a sense of peace and a sense of place in the world that, were it to be otherwise, where you are constantly bobbing on the sea of life or constantly just waving in the wind, there is a sense of unstable instability that comes from not knowing yourself or your place in this world. So I think that finding ourselves, finding our place, coming to terms with our identity, is a crucial part of finding peace in this world. And you see, at the end of the day, when you look at it go back and forth, I want to believe a lot of our aspirations, our fears, a lot of our actions distilled down to finding peace, some kind of place of peace in this world, even in religion. Again, Father's service is about alternate conversations to religious conversations. But we are all trying to find peace either in ourselves or in the hope of something that we don't know, but gives us hope, gives us a sense of peace. So those are my general, let me say, kickoff points on this finding ourselves. And it's increasingly becoming more difficult in a world where everybody else thinks that how they see the world is how everybody else should. And it's a really weird assumption, because the question I ask myself is, if you feel so strongly that how you see the world is how everybody should, what do you think confers that right upon you? Why can't you defer to someone else who sees the world differently and you bend to their own perspective and sort of become like them? So there are a lot of questions around that, even in my head around that topic of letting go. And I find that prayer, too, very profound in many ways that, please, God, whatever it is you believe in, let me constantly move towards finding myself and finding my place in this world.
    6:07
    I think. I think it was an interesting point you raised about, you know, what gives you that power to. If what you believe in is true, then why don't you agree with me that what I believe in is true? And I think it leads me to my point about generalization being the greatest problem in this day and age. Some people will argue that it is polarization, but I would argue that polarization is born out of somebody having one idea and saying, you know what? That's how it should be for everybody else. And then polarization is now that phenomenon that happens when it's like, oh, there are people that don't agree with me. Come on. Then we now start dividing ourselves into groups and saying, you know what? This is the left and this is the right, and, you know, these are the battists. And these are the obedience and all of that. And I think it's very, very important. And it seems like we are carrying on the same themes across a lot of our, across a lot of the topics that we are talking about. But on the quest for identity and finding oneself, it is perhaps the most important time to ponder on looking at things on a case to case basis on an individual level.
    7:33
    Don't get me wrong, someone who has sort of slugged their way up the ladder of ambition will try to tell you that, oh, you need to do this to be successful or to be wealthy. And I strongly believe that some of those general truths, they're actually true. That you, for you to be, you know, someone, a financially independent woman will come out and say, I think women should be financially independent so that they can have more agency over their decisions in marriage. That's a valid point.
    8:10
    Yeah.
    8:10
    Okay. Someone who's successful will come out and say, well or wealthy will say, you have to save more than you spend and invest whatever it is you save. That's a valid position. They have done it. It works for them. Everyone that does it, you probably would work for them. Yeah. So we can't shy away from general truths. Okay.
    8:32
    Yeah.
    8:32
    But where it comes down to the individual, case by case basis, you are saying is that every truth must start from the self, the core identity. What exactly am I striving for? What is my objective? Because you might think that, oh, everybody wants a salary raise. You might think that's a general truth. And then. But there's somebody out there that just doesn't like, you know, what I am. Fine, where oh my God, you might interpret it as a lack of ambition on your part. But what they see, how they feel, you know, why they have decided thus is really an individual thing. And that's where that individualness comes in.
    9:18
    Yeah.
    9:19
    That there might be general truths or more many things. But if someone says I want to be a housewife or a house husband for whatever reason they have decided that for whatever choices they are making, that's valid for them. It might not be valid for you. You might say, oh, you are lazy. No, this, that, whatever it is, but you. We must come to the point of acknowledgment that you will believe what you believe and that's fine.
    9:47
    Yeah.
    9:47
    But the same motivation, the same way we have our motivations, everybody else has their motivation. And I think a lot of intolerance we see arises from people not acknowledging that the motivations of others are valid. If a woman wants to wear a burqa and hide her face before her husband. The truth is, that is what she wants. Now, if I put myself out there and I say, this is how I've lived my life, and indeed my life influences other people to change based on just the way they see me living, all right, it might be that what I want is what they want deep in their heart, but they might not be, say, courageous enough to confront it. But maybe because of the decisions I've made, they're like, oh, okay, if I can do this, let me also attempt. See, what it comes down to is that what they wanted in the first place. What is deep in their heart is what drives them to either stay or change. But to think I can see the world from my own palette and say, no, everybody must be able to go to university or everybody must live their life the way I've lived it. Honestly, I think it's a kind of superiority complex that. That should be discouraged.
    11:13
    Yeah, I agree with that. Because the thing with elitism is that you are in your bubble so much that you forget that other people do not have the same parameters of life as you do. Say, for instance, you grew up with a complete family. You know, a father, mother, siblings. And you forget that there are people who. They never met their fathers, or their father died before they were born, or their mothers died at birth, or they are orphans or, you know, just all these different parameters. And you cannot now say, you know, that, oh, yeah, I am where I am. What's your excuse? You know, because, again, the parameters of life are different. You went to different schools. You were exposed to different things. You grew up on different kinds of television, if the other person even grew up on television at all. You know, there are so many different elements to it. And I think, again, I think this sort of leads us into a kind of like nature versus nurture on identity conversation, where we are, we begin to ask ourselves, you know, before I even say, oh, this is who I am, I must first understand what is my core essence? What is my primary nature. Am I a person of the arts? Am I a person of science? Am I a person of, you know, divine spirituality and a seeker of true enlightenment, you know, Or. Or am I an administrator? All of that, and then being able to ask yourself, okay, am I this way because that's just who I am? Or were there factors in my upbringing that have sort of led me to these paths? What moves did I make that brought me here? You know, and for some people, one part of this phenomenon, nature or Nurture is more predominant. Some people that grew up around people speaking a certain way. And I think that's probably, like, true on a general level where your speaking accent is determined by who you grew up, who you grew up around. On YouTube yesterday, I found this Nigerian guy that was speaking with a Scottish accent. And it was very. It broke my brain a little bit because, like, I've seen Nigerian people speak with British accents and American accents and all the other accents, but then, like, this Scottish accent was like, oh, my God, like, if you asked me about a Nigerian person with a Scottish accent, I would tell you they do not exist. Because I've sort of, sort of generalized that, oh, you know, that's what's happening, which is very hilarious because Nigerians are everywhere, so they speak every. All the languages. So, yeah, I do think that in finding oneself, the question of nature versus nurture is also very important. I don't know to what extent nurture affects people's identities, because there is a case to be made for people whose life choices have been engineered to a T, right. Such that they do not even have any kind of personal ambition or personal goals. And they are only a reflection of the society that they are in, and they are only a reflection of, say, their parents and the schools that they went to, and just everything that people had already engineered and said, you know what? This is what we want you to be. And we're going to do everything in our power to make sure that that's what happens. You know, nurture at an extreme level, I wonder how effective sort of that is.
    14:52
    The thing, the thing is we're all programmed. We came into this world, to me, a blank slate, but with certain triggers already recorded in our DNA. And we're constantly interacting with this new world in this new space. Some things resonate with us, some things don't. Some things are impost on us, some things aren't. And we are constantly being conditioned. So I want to believe that it's an interplay. It's a dynamic interplay of both nature and nurture at different, you know, the way bits appear on the screen, it's moving up waves. Yes. I think it's that kind of fluidity that. That happens all through our lives. There are things that you just find out inherently that that's who you are, that's how you feel, how that's how you see things. You know, that's the argument for the natural or for the nature. And you find out that you're constantly, also interacting with your environment. You are constantly changing you're constantly needing to adapt to achieve your objective. So just, I wanted to answer that question from my own standpoint, to say that it's. It's a dynamic interplay of both. We really can't. For me, I don't think it is practical or probable to draw a line as to which supersedes the other. You can take a snapshot of your life at each second and say, at this point, I think nurture is 55.321. Nature is 54.444. You know.
    16:27
    Yeah.
    16:28
    On a more like that note. Yeah, that. That's my own. That's my own.
    16:33
    Yeah. And even, Even taking those snapshots and then doing an overlay analysis and then running all the calculations on all the fields, it's not even, I don't think, an adequate representation to a point, because metrics have a way of being able to be skewed in order to sort of pass a message. And I think that's basically even what's happening on social media and even in society. We live on sort of, how do you say, let's say, identity politics. How people will say one thing and it is true, but they are saying it in a way to pass a particular kind of message, as if to say, well, if feminism is, for instance, if feminism is the. Is the journey to sort of equal rights or equal, you know, whatever, then it means that we should always be on the same level. It should always like, be 50, 50. So if you enter a class of people who are studying to become doctors, it should be like five girls and five boys, you know, otherwise that's not particularly feminist. When in fact, you know, it's more a thing of, like, choice. And it's like, oh, if, if, if in this society there are only five women who choose to want to study medicine and there's like 20 other men who choose to study medicine, that also is fine. Right. As long as it's a choice thing. But, you know, when you are, when you start to, like, make the measurements, they do not specifically account for motivation, which I think is also a very, you know, big factor of it.
    18:17
    I, I don't want us to conflate issues here, and I may be one misinterpreting.
    18:24
    Okay, right.
    18:25
    But I want us to, I want us to clearly define there is, there is. There are things like equality that the world believes is a human right. Like, people don't even say the word. Some groups believe that equality is intrinsic to being human. The assumption is that we must all be treated equal. We do not Want to be maligned because of certain things. And when I make it personal, I feel that inequality grades against my personality. Whenever I am prevented from doing something because I am me, I'm like, why can. Why can I not do it when everybody else is doing it? I sense that there is a part of humans that push back against inequality or injustice. But somewhere in my head, I also acknowledge that there are people, there must be people who don't see it that way. There must be people that say, I like to be told where to be, or I like to be told my place and I'm happy staying there, or something like that, as absurd as it may sound. So the call out for me is that is to acknowledge that no matter how general we take a concept is there are people for whom or for which it might not be as general. There were people who have the opposite standpoint to that. But moving forward, I think that there's. This is an assumption. I think that there's a part of being human that seeks validation of our position by trying to influence others to see things our own way. And that by influencing others to see things our own way, we are subconsciously or unconsciously or consciously validating our position. So that if I, for instance, went out and I bought raisin bread, I want to tell myself that this raisin bread, I'm. But it's the right decision. Right. And I try and tell other people that, well, you know, raising bread is healthy or, you know, it's. It's the best kind of bread. That the more people queue up behind me to buttress that position, the more validation I get at is that is unconscious or subconscious level.
    21:27
    That.
    21:27
    Okay, yes. My decision is actually the, you know, a good decision or the right decision. And I can see influences of this even in little things. So essentially, people try to. People try to, you know, influence you as a validation of their position. And I think that's. That's the undercurrent between this whole trying to push the world in the direction that you see.
    21:55
    Yeah.
    21:56
    But for me is to always think it through and know that I have the same. The other man or the other woman has the same. Right. Or the same weight in decision making. They have the same. Their motivations are equally as bad as. Yeah, I think that's it for me.
    22:21
    Yeah.
    22:22
    Yeah.
    22:23
    I'm. I'm teaching in. I'm currently doing NYC in Akwa Bomb States and I've been posted to a secondary school to teach gem geography and technical drawing. And I've always wanted to teach technical drawing that's like, as much as I know about myself, whether or not I wanted to do, teach technical drawing full time, you know, with all the nuances of actually being a teacher, you know, for the rest of my life. I do not know about that, but I've always known that I've wanted the opportunity to be in a school where I am responsible for teaching children technical drawing. And the opportunity has presented itself to me, and now how to go about it is, I think, a problem. And that's also, I think, speaking to the question of what kind of teacher.
    23:12
    Do I want to be, you know.
    23:14
    In that part of my identity, if I'm ever going to be referred to as a teacher, do I want to be referred to as, you know, the strict teacher, which, you know, not. Not a terrible thing. Don't be referred to as the wicked teacher who gave too many assignments or the teacher who didn't give any assignments, and we're just cruising through his class, you know, what kind of impact do I want to make? And I think that apart from, you know, my own identity, it's also a question of trying to form other people's identity as well, or maybe not form. Both contribute to the different kinds of things that they consider when they are forming their own identities. Because when my own technical drawing teacher, he used this particular technique where it was. We would all come to class and then we would. He would set up a board, a drawing board, and then he would start drawing and like, he would ask all of us to come around and look at what he's doing. And then he would say, if you have any question about how. Why I drew this line, or like, the point of this line, you can ask. But the point of this is to show you exactly how I'm doing it so that you'll be able to follow along with the process. And that's basically what he did. And I found myself, in the entire time that I took his class, probably asking questions once or twice, most of these questions more being like confirmatory questions than actual, oh, I'm clueless and lost, and I don't understand any of this. Is that the same kind of technique that I want to use? Obviously, because I understood it doesn't mean.
    24:45
    That other people will understand it that way.
    24:47
    Exactly. And because, you know, I think, oh, it worked for me, it should work for you. You know, as a teacher, if I do that, if I use that same method, am I, you know, just prepping for failure where all the students don't even understand what the hell I'm doing. And they're like, oh, like you are doing this, but you're not teaching us anything. Because perhaps they're used to a particular, particular style of teaching and they've not. You know, it's just a lot to think about because identity to a degree, while it is primarily, while it's primarily something of the self, it also affects other people as well.
    25:21
    I even like your, I like your teaching analogy because it, I think is representative. I can visually is illustrative of how I see it that there is a teacher who for whatever degrees they have had, for some reason have been conferred the title of teacher or the role of teacher has been conferred upon them. And they have to show these students or their students, inform them or enlighten them about something. But the truth is how that teacher has perceived or is perceiving their subject, how they understand their subject is just one way. It is how the teacher has understood the subject. In practical terms, for me, how each child, let's say the teacher had a class of 30 pupils. Each child would, or each pupil would interact with that subject in both the general way the subject is being taught and an individual way that is peculiar to them. And if you look at teaching pedagogy, most times they try and combine a host of things. So it's illustrative, it's analytical, it's descriptive. So that if you are a class of 30, those who connect within the descriptive part. Oh, okay, okay, I get it. Those who connect with the illustrative. Now it's clear to me, but each of us engages with it in the general and individual way. And for instance, for a teacher to think this is the only formula or this is the only way this thing is, it will be a bad teacher asking because there will be many people, certain people in that class that just cannot connect that way. So the same way teaching is responsive to adapting to individual needs, we must also, in our day to day life and in our understanding of why people do what they do, be willing to adapt and realize that the way I see this thing, someone else might not see it at all. An analogy that comes to mind is something about me that I can eat food from the fridge, right? I can just put it in my, my belief is that once I start to chew it, it warms up to mouth temperature and that's it. And I can swallow it. Now imagine I'm trying to foster or hoist, hoist this idea on the rest of the world. No, no. Why do you need to warm food? Why do you need to warm it? When you can just take it out of the fridge and eat it, that is the way to do it. Imagine the number of people here in the world that would just be like ah, what's this guy saying? You get.
    28:20
    Yeah.
    28:21
    The fact that I've chosen to inter interact with it that way doesn't, it doesn't mean that, that, that is. But where intolerance comes in is when I try to enforce others or when I try to, you know, strong arm others thinking that no it has to be this way. And then the hot food people are trying to also stronger me that no, it has to be scalding hot before you eat it. You get. So I, I think for more, for a more tolerant a world that fosters tolerance is really acknowledging that while they are general, they are also individual perceptions of this general truth that we must constantly make room for. And the, the big question for me is that finding yourself is not that also that easy. It's easy to say it theoretically, but it's a journey. Yeah. And on that journey you will lose yourself constantly. In order to find yourself is that you're constantly getting lost. They are constantly coming back on track. And in, in that dynamic of off track, on track you are gaining newer insights as to what your core motivations are consistently and I believe to the end of your life. So I don't, I also don't think it's a blueprint or because he also has his own pressure. When you feel like everybody know themselves or have found themselves.
    29:56
    Yeah.
    29:57
    And I'm here. Oh my God, yes, I do get what's happening to me. Yeah. He also puts a lot of pressure on individuals. It will be to, we need to be kind to ourselves and just take it one place at a time and know that getting lost is also a part of that process. Trying things is a part of that process until we constantly get into the rhythm of our are immunity. Certain rhythm that you find to be our piece of peace. Yeah, I can use that word.
    30:25
    Yeah, I think, I think that's a very, very important point.
    30:29
    Right.
    30:29
    The pressure that comes with, especially in a changing world where, you know, 30 to 50 years ago, you know, there was no such thing as social media influencer and there was no such thing as like, yeah, probably, you know, I don't know. But you know, it was more like, oh, I'm going to grow up and I'm going to work in an office, you know, 9 to 5 and like those were the only really kinds of jobs or if you, if you're not working a white Collar job. You're working in blue or white or brown collar job where it was, you know, label technical assistance or, or, you know, office work. Right. And you would think, and you know, growing up, for me, I thought that the highest level of success was going into the office with, you know, a white shirt and black tie, black pants and a jacket, you know, going into the office with the AC on, in my official car, with my official driver, and then like, you know, because that was what was modeled for me. But in a world that has sort of changed.
    31:26
    Yeah.
    31:27
    Over the past, say even in the last 10 years, what has changed so much that it now looks like if you are doing a 9 to 5 job, you are a loser and you don't know what you want to do with your life. Like, that's how the world has shifted so drastically that if I, if I knew exactly who I was 10 years ago, I don't know who I am anymore. I don't know what I want anymore.
    31:55
    I'm now.
    31:56
    Yeah, I, I was watching this movie. It's called. It's not a movie, it's a series. It's called Criminal United Kingdom. In this particular episode, this junior detective inspector is working a case, right. And she doesn't realize that. So, so the person she's interviewing, she thinks is innocent. And at a point, you know, the, the interviewee. The interviewee starts saying one or two things that somebody flags as. Oh, damn, it looks like you might be the, the criminal here. But the person that's doing the interview doesn't. Okay. She doesn't clock it. And then by the time the whole thing happens, they are able to, you know, discover that, oh, this person was actually the criminal. And then they're like, oh, good work, good work. You were so you, you used your people skills on her and she was able to even confess without knowing that she was confessing. Amazing. We'll work on the technicalities, but, you know, we should give you more of this kinds of work. You know, we should even promote you and all of that. And she says, no, I don't want, I don't want, because if I do more, I'll take it home. And I don't want to take my work home. I want to keep these two things very separate. I am not ambitious. And I know it's not okay to say that I am not ambitious, especially these days, but that's just the truth. And she was able to just. And I think to be able to say that kind of thing, you have to really know exactly who you are. And what you want.
    33:29
    And it takes courage. It takes courage because there are times that you know it, but you're not courageous enough to come out to say, this is my position. Especially in a world where the. The opposing voice is loudest.
    33:44
    Yes, yes, yes. I. I was responding to an email from a friend today, even today, and she was saying, I don't know what I want to do with my life. I don't know. And I said meself, I don't know. But here's the best advice I've ever gotten. Do it day to day, right? And if you know what you want to do today and you know who you are today, I mean, that's fine. Tomorrow may never come, so, like, why really bother that long term? But there will be some days where you will find clarity. And it's always good to, like, note those moments down and maybe write it down in a piece of paper so that on the other days where things are a little less clear, you can always refer to it and say, okay, who was I at this time? I think this is one of the reasons why I love taking so many pictures. And I did, you know, 2022, everyday journaling and even these podcasts and all, a lot of voice recordings and video recordings that I do of myself is. It will help me to look on today. By tomorrow. I say, dimila, you had these views. Oh, but things are different now. This was the context, and this is the context now. And you can change. Change, such as the world changes, you can change. I think it's also important and people don't really give you a lot of. Of space to do this because, you know, you know, because people will pull up your Tweet from, like, 10 years ago and say, oh, you tweeted this and you are a bad person. You're the worst. Well, that's, you know, taking into consideration that while this person was exactly who they were 10 years ago, they probably changed. You probably changed. And I think that's also very important. Finding yourself in a world where you feel like you are constantly lost is harder to do when you are not allowed to change because you feel like, oh, I must get it perfectly right today. You know, I must overthink every single tweet. I must overthink every single job that I apply for. You know, some people's job, some people's resumes is you specifically just one thing, right? They were always an accountant at every place they work. But there's some people who go from TV presenter to bricklayer to laborer to coder to, you know, writer and, and you.
    35:58
    And that's not generally acceptable because they would say, oh, Jack of all trades. Yeah, but the truth is. Yeah, the truth is some people might need that route. You know, some people might, will have to pass through that route. I mean it might just even be what they find what they find more suited to their identities. Do you get it might be we're not the same. It might be that that's what, you know, that's what tickles their fancy. I'm able to do XYZ disparate things, but the world sort of runs unsettled. Axioms like, ah, Jack of all trades, master of. Not again. Like I said, some of these things are true. You might argue that if you are over focused on too many things, you can't mind not necessarily focus on one. But it's not the entire truth. Yeah, it's, it's never the entire truth because there will be people that are focused on so many things and for whatever look of nature or whatever it is in their case, they are comfortable doing everything and doing it as best as they could. Yeah. So it always, always, always, always comes down to that. But for me it's the fluidity that counts. I mean just, just in wrapping up, it's the, the acknowledgment that one, my position can be the position two is that I'm constantly changing, the world around me is constantly changing. And, and it's more about how I'm adapting, how I'm constantly re evaluating my position in the grand scheme of things relative to my motivations that count and in discovering myself, how to build up the courage to be able to stand out once in a while, even when the whole world simply moves in the other direction. When someone says, oh, we must. When Chimamarus say we must all the time all be feminists. Yeah, we get it. Some people come out and say, well, I don't want to be. That's their choice. Or I want to be a masculinist patriarchist or whatever it is the tags are these days.
    38:05
    Yeah.
    38:06
    So it's at a certain level, it's also the courage to come out to say, well, you guys all believe this, that's fine. But this is really where I stand. This is where I want to start. Yeah, I'm starting to take it for. But we can't, we can't under estimate the importance of finding your voice in a world where there's so much noise and staying true to that voice constantly in the course of one's life.
    38:34
    Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I think this is exactly correct. But I want to say one more thing. I say correct. Correct is probably not the word to use in this context. Well, yeah, it's true. I want to say in closing as well that I recently came to an acceptance of myself as a copycat. And I know that sounds. But let me try and give a brief explanation. For one thing, language is copied, right? You can improve on it. Yes. But there's a fundamental nature of it that's copied. And there's a quote by somebody and I do remember who is that. There's nothing original in the world, so you might as well just, you know. So I really do think that. And some people, it's now like a time of bullying. We were like, oh, yeah, yeah, copycats. It's like, that's fine too. Right. Obviously there are probably things that are probably not fine for the sake of societal rest, for peace in the society. But I really do think it's important to.
    39:40
    To.
    39:40
    To consider all these things that we've said in this episode and to really. And I think, yeah, just to tie it all back to faith. Faith. Faith in finding. The role of faith in finding oneself is. Is very important because it is everything. It will help you get through each day whatever you believe in, whoever you believe in, however you believe in, what you believe in, it is everything. It really is everything.
    40:13
    There's an inspiration, just a quick thought in my head that might inform other. Another podcast session and it's that even faith itself as not just as faith in a generic way, but faith as tied to religion and doctrine, it finds itself in that position where it also needs to change or it is being contended where change contends with doctrine. The way we observe our doctrines, even though they were formed in the past, they are constantly moving through time where there is call for change, where the things that we once held sacred are being challenged constantly. So like I said, it's just an inspiration. It might be for future discussion to go a little deeper into doctrine and its role vis a visual, vis a vis change. You know, doctrine in the changing world. But you can always toy around.
    41:29
    Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's been it, guys. We will see you in the next episode. Until then, peace.

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